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Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject:
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| I agree with Lucky Woman about playing catching the butterfly it's got a lot of drive to that tune don't see why it can't be played. I love the Haigh Hall version of that song. I also like Neon wilderness that riff sends me into space. |
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Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject:
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| the rolling people and come on for me, from urban hymns. |
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Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:
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| windinthewillows wrote: | | the rolling people and come on for me, from urban hymns. |
Yeah, they're great but we've heard a lot of them too since the reunion. They're fantastic to experence live, but don't make such good bootlegs cos we've already got loads of versions of them! |
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Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject:
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Have to disagree with what most of you are saying.
A Verve concert that didn't include there biggest hit singles would go down like a damp squib. What you have to realise is that a very high percentage of crowds at big gigs arn't as big as fans as most of you on here, are going to one date on the tour and arn't collecting as many bootlegs as possible. As soon as a b-side or a lesser known song is played all that would happen is people would take it as an opportunity for a toilet break or go to the bar. Sad, but a fact of life. When I saw them at Manchester Central on the reunion tour every time a song started that wasn't one of the big Urban Hymes songs, people were moving away uninterested. You go to a Verve gig, you expect to hear there best songs. Same goes for every other band in the World.
I'm a big Arctic Monkeys fan and saw them 3 times last year. One of the gigs they decided to play 1 B-side, went down a storm. The next gig I went to they played 4 or 5, plus some unreleased stuff and the atmosphere at the gig was just horrendous. No energy in the crowd, nothing. A week later they'd dropped most of them and brought back crowd favourites and was one of the best gigs I've been to.
If they do tour again, and I hope the rumours of fall outs arn't as big as the press are making them, of course you will see a lot of Forth featuing in the set lists. But I'd be shocked if its at the expence of the big hits, and I don't think just because you've heard them play them 100s of times that you should deny a fan going for the first time getting the goosebumps when BSS kicks in. |
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Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject:
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| willmax wrote: | | I don't think just because you've heard them play them 100s of times that you should deny a fan going for the first time getting the goosebumps when BSS kicks in. |
I still get goosebumps now listening to BSS, and would hate it to be dropped from the setlist, that song is so unique.
I understand what you're saying, and can't deny the truth of it. But we can only really give our own personal preferences here as fans who've heard those songs live a good few times and are more than ready for something else now to take their place. Just to add a bit more variety from gig to gig would be great, but I've never left a Verve gig dissatisfied (only with the crowd!) |
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Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject:
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| The thing is for me, whenever i get a new bootleg i always skip BSS, LM etc. cos i seriously cant listen to another live version that sounds the same. Unless its a version like the Jools Holland one from 97 which is more original. |
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Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject:
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| willmax wrote: | | I don't think just because you've heard them play them 100s of times that you should deny a fan going for the first time getting the goosebumps when BSS kicks in. |
don't know.
you're certainly right about the BSS goosebumps.
actually, it's difficult to imagine a verve gig without that one.
but then: when the back catalogue of an artist/ band grows, i think that's a CHANCE to vary the setlist.
maybe that's just me, but if i go to see a band live, i don't just want the well known hits. the best concerts i have experienced were those where i only knew a few of the songs, but those were so good and performend with so much dedication they blew me away instantly. hit by surprise!
i think there are a lot of verve songs that can do something like this! |
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Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject:
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| The problem now is with the release of the new album there is even less chance of the early stuff being played. I for one am pretty disappointed with Forth, It has its moments but I dont think I could stomach a UH/Forth setlist for live gigs which will happen, |
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| sinc wrote: | | The problem now is with the release of the new album there is even less chance of the early stuff being played. I for one am pretty disappointed with Forth, It has its moments but I dont think I could stomach a UH/Forth setlist for live gigs which will happen, |
I could stomach anything from The Verve. Not too long ago I didn't think I'd get the chance to ever see them live so I'm just gonna make the most of it and hope it lasts as long as possible.
Forth is 100% brilliant in my book, just a tour to hear those songs would do me nicely.  |
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:20 am Post subject:
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| Lucky Woman wrote: |
Wouldn't mind hearing Catching The Buttlerfly, never heard that one live. |
Yeah during '98 both Catching The Butterfly and Neon Wilderness were in the set. Saw them at Manchester Apollo 13th Jan and Haigh Hall...both class gigs. Those 2 tunes were top 
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A Verve concert that didn't include there biggest hit singles would go down like a damp squib.
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Yeah but the verve have always been the kind of band not to conform to what a traditional "pop" band like the Artic Monkeys should do. Thats why their 2nd single was 9 mins long and didn't get much radio play - not exactly looking to be "pop"ular.
| willmax wrote: | | What you have to realise is that a very high percentage of crowds at big gigs arn't as big as fans as most of you on here |
Thats why I think the big gigs like Manchester Central was poor. The Blackpool gig a month earlier was full of the real fans. I didn't see 1 person going to the bog/bar when "Let The Damage Begin" kicked in. 
Nick McCabe has said that he always hoped there was a bunch of like minded people sitting in their bedrooms on the same level/vibe as the verve.....well here we are!!! All together!!! And we need to be catered for  |
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:27 am Post subject:
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^^^ Yes, well said. All of it.
As they're not in it for the money, they don't need those big arena tours where fans sod off when the big hits aren't being performed.
They'll still make a good living with smaller tours and maybe there wouldn't be so much band conflict if they played what they wanted to play rather than what the masses wanted... |
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:52 am Post subject:
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I miss Stormy Clouds.  |
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:57 am Post subject:
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| hindleyite wrote: | | I miss Stormy Clouds. |
I haven't got tired of Life's An Ocean yet either, which has been played quite a lot this summer. But Stormy Clouds is always welcome too, an amazing song.  |
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject:
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i don't get tired of the Nothern Soul tracks live either. Well actually "This Is Music" was beginning to get a tiny (and i mean tiny) bit boring but then the Maida Vale version was AWESOME and completely replenished it for me.  I couldn't ever get bored of Life's an Ocean - the basslines just too good. |
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject:
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i think the main thing, as stated before, is the festival atmosphere... the setlists for the nov/dec gigs were spot on... they aren't going to overdo it and play every single b-side at every show, but having a rotating group of older/more obscure tunes (slide away, gravity, man called sun, already there, damage, all in the mind, the sun the sea, etc) that they could play a few different things from every night would be good. and yeah, the northern soul stuff never gets old... stormy clouds is massive.
the festival setlists are also quite a bit shorter, because they have to be... that wasn't the case in nov/dec, and won't be going forward.
i think it's accurate to say that they have too many UH fans to bin every song they play from that record. those are the tunes that made them huge, for better or for worse. they can play rolling people, come on, BSS, DDW, sonnet and lucky man any night, as far as i'm concerned, and probably will.
i think a lot of us are spoiled and sick of those songs because we've seen and heard richard performing them in an almost identical style for the better part of 7 years, 3 tours. they take on new life when the verve play them though... there's an edge and a vibe to things like LM and sonnet and BSS that isn't there when played by another group of musicians... can't be denied.
i'm just hoping i'll get to see them play anything... i live in the states, and i'll have to be sectioned if they don't play chicago soon. to say i'm ready to see my favorite band of all time for the first time is a vast understatement... COME ON!!! |
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject:
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| razorboy wrote: | | there's an edge and a vibe to things like LM and sonnet and BSS that isn't there when played by another group of musicians... can't be denied. |
that's very true.
And I hope you get to see them soon.
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